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		<title>By: New Malaysian Venture Capital and Investment Form &#124; Beyond The First World</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4105</link>
		<dc:creator>New Malaysian Venture Capital and Investment Form &#124; Beyond The First World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] entrepreneurs to pitch to VC is an absurd thing. With the recent Jason Calacanis’ Jihad over such acts in the States, the phenomena of VCs and Angels who charge exorbitant fees for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pay-to-Pitch Outrage &#171; Boston &#8211; Tech &#8211; Founder</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4064</link>
		<dc:creator>Pay-to-Pitch Outrage &#171; Boston &#8211; Tech &#8211; Founder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $25,000 on an ad buy in hopes of filling a sales funnel, should we declare &#8220;jihad&#8221; (Jason Calacanis&#8217;s words) on Google Ad [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] $25,000 on an ad buy in hopes of filling a sales funnel, should we declare &#8220;jihad&#8221; (Jason Calacanis&#8217;s words) on Google Ad [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Becker</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,
You seem to have some misinformation about the Keiritsu Forum that is coloring you views on what it is and how it operates.

First, they do not guarantee anything other than the entrepreneur will be given time to give a 10 minute presentation followed by a ten minute Q&amp;A session in front of one or more groups of angels.

Second, the angels are for real.  Every one of them is required to fit the legal definition of &quot;Accredited Investors&quot; as defined by the Code of Federal Regulations.

Third, as mentioned in another response above, they actively filter out weak applicants before any money is charged.  This has benefits for both the angels (the presenters are not total flakes) and the entrepreneurs (they meet a minimum level that makes them realistically  fundable by the angels.

Fourth, a significant number of entrepreneurs who qualify to present and then pay the fee do get funded.  The exact percentage varies widely, depending among other variables on the current economic conditions and which Keiritsu group they are presenting to, since different locations tend to have somewhat different industries of interest.  However, Keiritsu does write checks.  Visit their web site to see a partial list of companies that received funding each year over the past several years.

Finally, no one is forcing the entrepreneurs to go to Keiritsu Forum to raise funds.  There are numerous, high-quality angel organizations, such as the Tech Coast Angels, which do not charge presenters.  Whether Keiritsu offers sufficient value for the fee they charge is a decision that each entrepreneur must make for himself.

In summary, Keiritsu Forum is a legitimate facility for small and start up companies to get in front of qualified angels in an attempt to raise money from angel investors.  Yes, they charge for their service, and no there is absolutely no guarantee that those angels will fund you, but it is not a sham operation.  They have funded a lot of entrepreneurs and do have angels with real money to fund more companies.  There are some really sleazy angel-introduction groups out there, but I do not believe that the Keiritsu Forum is one of them.

However, do not take my word for it.  I suggest that entrepreneurs who are seeking investors should contact the local chapter of the Keiritsu Forum and ask to visit a meeting.  They are typically held monthly and serious guests are normally quite welcome.  You will get to see the process in action and will have a chance to meet some of the angels who are in attendance.   Also, ask to talk to some firms that recently received funding through Keiritsu to understand how they saw the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
You seem to have some misinformation about the Keiritsu Forum that is coloring you views on what it is and how it operates.</p>
<p>First, they do not guarantee anything other than the entrepreneur will be given time to give a 10 minute presentation followed by a ten minute Q&amp;A session in front of one or more groups of angels.</p>
<p>Second, the angels are for real.  Every one of them is required to fit the legal definition of &#8220;Accredited Investors&#8221; as defined by the Code of Federal Regulations.</p>
<p>Third, as mentioned in another response above, they actively filter out weak applicants before any money is charged.  This has benefits for both the angels (the presenters are not total flakes) and the entrepreneurs (they meet a minimum level that makes them realistically  fundable by the angels.</p>
<p>Fourth, a significant number of entrepreneurs who qualify to present and then pay the fee do get funded.  The exact percentage varies widely, depending among other variables on the current economic conditions and which Keiritsu group they are presenting to, since different locations tend to have somewhat different industries of interest.  However, Keiritsu does write checks.  Visit their web site to see a partial list of companies that received funding each year over the past several years.</p>
<p>Finally, no one is forcing the entrepreneurs to go to Keiritsu Forum to raise funds.  There are numerous, high-quality angel organizations, such as the Tech Coast Angels, which do not charge presenters.  Whether Keiritsu offers sufficient value for the fee they charge is a decision that each entrepreneur must make for himself.</p>
<p>In summary, Keiritsu Forum is a legitimate facility for small and start up companies to get in front of qualified angels in an attempt to raise money from angel investors.  Yes, they charge for their service, and no there is absolutely no guarantee that those angels will fund you, but it is not a sham operation.  They have funded a lot of entrepreneurs and do have angels with real money to fund more companies.  There are some really sleazy angel-introduction groups out there, but I do not believe that the Keiritsu Forum is one of them.</p>
<p>However, do not take my word for it.  I suggest that entrepreneurs who are seeking investors should contact the local chapter of the Keiritsu Forum and ask to visit a meeting.  They are typically held monthly and serious guests are normally quite welcome.  You will get to see the process in action and will have a chance to meet some of the angels who are in attendance.   Also, ask to talk to some firms that recently received funding through Keiritsu to understand how they saw the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly Smith</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4062</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzly Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching with interest your current confrontation of Keiretsu.  I don&#039;t have a dog in this hunt, not being an investor or (in any real sense) an entrepreneur.

What you say about paying to present seems intuitively correct.  Keiretsu reminds me of the very few days I spent in Amway.  It reminds me a bit more of the old-school style of &quot;vanity publishing.&quot;  Does the author actually get books printed?  Sure.  Does anyone other than the author and their Mom ever see a copy?  Nope.  In the real world, vanity publishing isn&#039;t publishing.  And, I strongly suspect, Keiretsu isn&#039;t much of anything, either.

I dunno from my own experience on this, but I trust you.

Griz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching with interest your current confrontation of Keiretsu.  I don&#8217;t have a dog in this hunt, not being an investor or (in any real sense) an entrepreneur.</p>
<p>What you say about paying to present seems intuitively correct.  Keiretsu reminds me of the very few days I spent in Amway.  It reminds me a bit more of the old-school style of &#8220;vanity publishing.&#8221;  Does the author actually get books printed?  Sure.  Does anyone other than the author and their Mom ever see a copy?  Nope.  In the real world, vanity publishing isn&#8217;t publishing.  And, I strongly suspect, Keiretsu isn&#8217;t much of anything, either.</p>
<p>I dunno from my own experience on this, but I trust you.</p>
<p>Griz</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fraser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a question. How do you feel about DOMAIN ACQUISITIONS. I&#039;m a student, doing a podcast for student NURSES. The people who take care of you when you are SICK. I bought http://nursingideas.ca and thought I&#039;d ask about .com because it is currently just being squatted on. The guy wants me to pay $1,000. What a joke.

First of all, there is no humanism considered, to the fact I&#039;m a student, I&#039;m doing it part time and not as a business.


 That is a 1/3rd what Keiretsu is charging, and is a dishonourable (Canadian spelling). Especially when #TWiST guests like @Garyvee prove that you don&#039;t to pay marketers or domain squatters.

So now that you have almost won victory with Keiretsu, I BEGIN a JIHAD on domain acquisitions. Or let me know why I&#039;m way off base with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a question. How do you feel about DOMAIN ACQUISITIONS. I&#8217;m a student, doing a podcast for student NURSES. The people who take care of you when you are SICK. I bought <a href="http://nursingideas.ca" rel="nofollow">http://nursingideas.ca</a> and thought I&#8217;d ask about .com because it is currently just being squatted on. The guy wants me to pay $1,000. What a joke.</p>
<p>First of all, there is no humanism considered, to the fact I&#8217;m a student, I&#8217;m doing it part time and not as a business.</p>
<p> That is a 1/3rd what Keiretsu is charging, and is a dishonourable (Canadian spelling). Especially when #TWiST guests like @Garyvee prove that you don&#8217;t to pay marketers or domain squatters.</p>
<p>So now that you have almost won victory with Keiretsu, I BEGIN a JIHAD on domain acquisitions. Or let me know why I&#8217;m way off base with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunatly I&#039;ve not run across Keiretsu. But I did fall into the trap of a similar company making the same promises. New entrepeneurs and start up companies often spend thousands of dollars  doing research, proforma, business plans, executive summaries, etc. The passion we have to share our creative ideas with potential investors can cloud the decision making of those with even the strongest business acumen. I&#039;m living proof of that.

If in your desperate serch for funding you come acrosse any organization that claims to represent thousands of potential investors, with promises of start up capital...&quot;for a fee&quot;. JUST WALK AWAY!

Find new avenues, network where investors hang out, research the internet for VC blogs...etc. But do not pay one of these hustlers to do what you can do yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunatly I&#8217;ve not run across Keiretsu. But I did fall into the trap of a similar company making the same promises. New entrepeneurs and start up companies often spend thousands of dollars  doing research, proforma, business plans, executive summaries, etc. The passion we have to share our creative ideas with potential investors can cloud the decision making of those with even the strongest business acumen. I&#8217;m living proof of that.</p>
<p>If in your desperate serch for funding you come acrosse any organization that claims to represent thousands of potential investors, with promises of start up capital&#8230;&#8221;for a fee&#8221;. JUST WALK AWAY!</p>
<p>Find new avenues, network where investors hang out, research the internet for VC blogs&#8230;etc. But do not pay one of these hustlers to do what you can do yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Go Jason Calacanis &#8211; Paying to Present Is Outrageous - Jason Aaron Kiesel</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4059</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Jason Calacanis &#8211; Paying to Present Is Outrageous - Jason Aaron Kiesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] under FreedomSpeaks, Web/Tech I&#8217;m writing publicly here to support Jason Calacanis&#8217; jihad against angel investment groups and venture capitalists forcing entrepreneurs to pay to present their ideas. These organizations are an abomination, and I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] under FreedomSpeaks, Web/Tech I&#8217;m writing publicly here to support Jason Calacanis&#8217; jihad against angel investment groups and venture capitalists forcing entrepreneurs to pay to present their ideas. These organizations are an abomination, and I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SKMurphy &#187; Do Not Pay to Pitch Investors</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4058</link>
		<dc:creator>SKMurphy &#187; Do Not Pay to Pitch Investors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mon-Oct-12: following up on a comment left by Benjamin Kuo on an earlier post by Jason I came across two good posts by Joe Platnick of the Pasadena Angels, (I have highlighted some key [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mon-Oct-12: following up on a comment left by Benjamin Kuo on an earlier post by Jason I came across two good posts by Joe Platnick of the Pasadena Angels, (I have highlighted some key [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RV</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>RV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the keiretsu video above,looks like a TV infomercial by a used car salesman !

First ,with blood and sweat you, as an enterpreneur build a business,against all odds.

Then you try to go against big competitors ,take risks ,share equity with VCs.

In middle of all ,there are these hyenas like &quot;Keiretsu&quot; who sit on sidelines waiting to take a piece of your pie.
It is obnoxious and unethical.
WHY THE HELL SHOULD I PAY TO PRESENT MY PRODUCT - AM I GETTING A SALE ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the keiretsu video above,looks like a TV infomercial by a used car salesman !</p>
<p>First ,with blood and sweat you, as an enterpreneur build a business,against all odds.</p>
<p>Then you try to go against big competitors ,take risks ,share equity with VCs.</p>
<p>In middle of all ,there are these hyenas like &#8220;Keiretsu&#8221; who sit on sidelines waiting to take a piece of your pie.<br />
It is obnoxious and unethical.<br />
WHY THE HELL SHOULD I PAY TO PRESENT MY PRODUCT &#8211; AM I GETTING A SALE ?</p>
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		<title>By: Angels are Good, Right? &#124; Your Suspect</title>
		<link>http://calacanis.com/2009/10/05/jason-jihad-keiretsu-forum-must-be-stopped/#comment-4056</link>
		<dc:creator>Angels are Good, Right? &#124; Your Suspect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of money to pitch to them, and it&#8217;s not someone with a weak microphone or unknown following. Jason Calacanis has announced a &#8220;jihad&#8221;, as it seems, and is stirring things up. This topic is not a new one for entrepreneurs like myself [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of money to pitch to them, and it&#8217;s not someone with a weak microphone or unknown following. Jason Calacanis has announced a &#8220;jihad&#8221;, as it seems, and is stirring things up. This topic is not a new one for entrepreneurs like myself [...]</p>
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